I’ll Pass on TVI Express
Last night I was spammed with an invite to sign up with an opportunity called TVI or Travel Ventures International. This wasn’t the first time I had been invited but after doing some research, I don’t know why any one would want to be involved with this kind of opportunity.
First of all, I’m not a big MLM fan. I tried it back in 2004 and it didn’t work out for me. Not because I’m lazy and a quitter but because it didn’t seem right to go chasing all my friends and coworkers to sign up.
I learned some things from the MLM that I was involved with that helped me succeed in internet marketing so I won’t completely knock it. In fact, as far as MLM goes, I actually think they are one of the best in terms of structure. But that’s another story anyhow.
There’s also a difference between a legitimate network marketing opportunity and a dubious pyramid scheme. Well most people know that but there is always the argument of whether or not any particular company fits the description.
Now, back to the topic at hand, there was no way I was going to join TVI Express but I did some research anyway. I found that even hardcore MLM advocates are calling this thing a scam.
That means people who are even more experienced with MLM that most of the people that will sign up and promote TVI.
Troy Dooley of MLM Help Desk explained what would happen should the company not meet your expectations. What if you don’t get paid?
Here’s a quote from Troy’s review of TVI:
Although, the U.K. has great MLM laws on the books, it is virtually impossible for distributors to get any type of legal help if the company were to cause any type of financial hardship to them.
If you file a law suit in the USA, what are you going to get? They do not at this time have any USA base of operations. It the law suit was to become a Class Action suit, the attorney’s fees would eat up any financial relief ordered form the Courts, due to the International legal representation which would be required to win.
Not distributor friendly at all. Based on the fact the company is located in the U.K., you will be signing and agreeing to policies and procedures which are based on U.K. laws not U.S. laws.
In other words, you’d just have to go hug your pillow and cut your losses.
The other thing that bothered me was the fact that it was a revolving matrix and there isn’t a real product that is being pushed.
What you say about discount travel? Huh?!
Please!
$250 for a 7 night, 6 day vacation might sound like an amazing bargain but what the company really wants you to do is focus on building your downline membership which costs USD $250 to join.
Any legit MLM has an easily identifiable product (or products) that you can sell as a distributor in addition to selling the opportunity. I’ve always stayed away from anything that used the word matrix (except the movies of course).
Here’s what the FAQ on TVI Express website says:
3. Do I need to sell any products?
No. You don’t need to sell any products. TVI Express is a unique e-commerce opportunity allowing you to build the Business around the globe sitting at your home. However, we do support leaders who take initiatives to promote the opportunity offline conducting seminars and workshops about the Opportunity.
Doesn’t sound like they’re too interested in giving away those $250 vacations at all. Seems like what they want you to do is get people to pay $250 so that they can get other people to pay $250.
Sorry, I’m just not interested. Count me out.
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I agree it is a scam, Play off the old Airplane games of the 80′s and 90′s
Prior instances of this scam have been called the “Airplane Game” and the four tiers labelled as “captain”, “co-pilot”, “crew”, and “passenger” to denote a person’s level. Another instance was called the “Original Dinner Party” which labelled the tiers as “dessert”, “main course”, “side salad”, and “appetizer”. A person on the “dessert” course is the one at the top of the tree. Another variant “Treasure Traders” variously used gemology terms such as “polishers”, “stone cutters” etc. or gems “rubies”, “sapphires”, “diamonds” etc.
Such schemes may try to downplay their pyramid nature by referring to themselves as “gifting circles” with money being “gifted”. Popular scams such as the “Women Empowering Women”[12] do exactly this. Joiners may even be told that “gifting” is a way to skirt around tax laws.
Whichever euphemism is used, there are 15 total people in four tiers (1 + 2 + 4 + in the scheme – the person at the top of this tree is the “captain”, the two below are “co-pilots”, the four below are “crew” and the bottom eight joiners are the “passengers”.
The eight passengers must each pay (or “gift”) a sum (e.g. $1000) to join the scheme. This sum (e.g. $8000) goes to the captain who leaves, with everyone remaining moving up one tier. There are now two new captains so the group splits in two with each group requiring eight new passengers. A person who joins the scheme as a passenger will not see a return until they exit the scheme as a captain. This requires that 14 others have been persuaded to join underneath them.
Therefore, the bottom 3 tiers of the pyramid always lose their money when the scheme finally collapses. Consider a pyramid consisting of tiers with 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 and 64 members. The highlighted section corresponds to the previous diagram.
No matter how large the model becomes before collapse, approximately 88% of all people will lose.
If the scheme collapses at this point, only those in the 1, 2, 4 and 8 got out with a return. The remainder in the 16, 32, and 64 tier lose everything. 112 out of the total 127 members or 88% lost all of their money.
During a wave of pyramid activity, a surge frequently develops once a significant fraction of people know someone personally who exited with a $8000 payout for example. This spurs others to seek to get in on one of the many pyramids before the wave collapses.
The figures also hide the fact that the confidence trickster would make the lion’s share of the money. They would do this by filling in the first 3 tiers (with 1, 2, and 4 people) with phoney names, ensuring they get the first 7 payouts, at 8 times the buy-in sum, without paying a single penny themselves. So if the buy-in were $1000, they would receive $56,000, paid for by the first 56 investors. They would continue to buy in underneath the real investors, and promote and prolong the scheme for as long as possible in order to allow them to skim even more from it before the collapse.
Other cons may also be effective. For example, rather than using fake names, a group of seven people may agree to form the top three layers of a pyramid without investing any money. They then work to recruit eight paying passengers, and pretend to follow the pyramid payout rules, but in reality split any money received. Ironically, though they are being conned, the eight paying passengers are not really getting anything less for their money than if they were buying into a ‘legitimate’ pyramid which had split off from a parent pyramid. They truly are now in a valid pyramid, and have the same opportunity to earn a windfall if they can successfully recruit enough new members and reach captain. This highlights the fact that by ‘buying’ in to a pyramid, passengers are not really obtaining anything of value they couldn’t create themselves other than a vague sense of “legitimacy” or history of the pyramid, which may make it marginally easier to sell passenger seats below them.
Thank you for pasting that wikipedia article in there
A link to the relevant section would have been sufficient but its a good read nevertheless.
I think that is how it works. Also check out how Matrix schemes work.
TVIexpress is an obvious pyramid scheme.
The “company” tries to pretend that the business is about selling travels, but if you read their web pages, in particular the FAQ ( http://www.tviexpress.com/faq.php ), it becomes obvious that the whole thing is about recruiting members who will pay in 250 US dollars, and the members are promised that they will thereafter receive money when other members are recruited; In other words a classic pyramid scheme, and clearly illegal according to the laws in most civilised countries in the world.
The company claims to be “a leading multinational conglomerate headquartered in London, United Kingdom”, but you will not find it in the UK telephone book ( http://www.192.com/businesses/ ), and the company does not exist at the address stated on the web pages (office building Marble Arch Tower, 55 Bryanston Street, London). You can check this by doing an “advanced search” in the UK directory for businesses at 55 Bryanston Street in London.
If you try to call the telephone number given on their web site, +44-2032899918, nobody answers the telephone.
Additionally, you will not find this “company” if you do a search in the UK company register ( http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/ ).
So much for a “leading multinational conglomerate headquartered in London”!
One of the persons behind this pyramid scheme is named Ken Russo.
This person Ken Russo has run, or has been pushing, a number of Ponzi- and pyramid schemes, which is easily seen if you google “Ken Russo” + scam.
Conclusion: An illegal pyramid scheme and guaranteed to collapse. STAY AWAY!!!
You have all posted things that obviously you know nothing about.
Get the facts and get things straight before posting stuff on the net. Once on the net it is there forever. If this was my company I would come after you for slandering it.
Just in case you want to know TVI was at the address and phone number listed on their site and because they had way too many people walking into the office off of the street they decided to make some changes and have not updated their web site to reflect their new info.
They have also recently opened new regional offices in several different parts of the world.
Something is considered a ponzi if people are being ripped off. Are you guys on crack or what. I have seen or heard nothing from anyone saying they were not paid immediately when they were supposed to.
Their product is discount travel benefits.
Let’s get real and quit slamming people and things that don’t deserve it.
Glen Rice
Good gracious, mr. pyramid pusher Glen Rice;
Do you realise how absurd and ridiculous your arguments are?
A “leading multinational conglomerate headquartered in London” which is not able, for several weeks, to present its correct address and telephone number on its web site?
A “leading multinational conglomerate headquartered in London” which does not have a functioning telephone number?
A “leading multinational conglomerate headquartered in London” which does not exist on the official UK company register?
(And, if you should claim that it is registered under another company name, it is illegal according to UK law to do business on the internet without clearly stating the company’s registered name on the web site.)
The argument that TVIexpress is not a Ponzi or pyramid because people are being paid, is also utter bull***t; The whole idea of a Ponzi or pyramid is that early members will be paid (from the money paid in by later members), because this is the lure used to recruit new member.
It is when the recruitment of new members slows down (or the scammers decide to run off with the money to some unknown location) that payouts will stop.
Amen, S. Holmes!
I can’t believe how many people are being fooled by this company.
When i was first presented with this opportunity, i asked my friend, ” What does a $250 travel voucher do?” When i book travel with travelocity or any travel agent for that matter… i never heard of the word: ‘Travel voucher’. I just buy a flight or book a hotel and they give me my itinerary.
If im going to spend $250, i want to actually ‘BOOK’ travel…not just get a voucher in the hopes of getting travel.
I used to actually give my prospects free travel vouchers and that service for me to use was only 20 bucks a month, so in my eyes, charging $250 for something you can actually give away for free is Highway Robbery!
Its only a matter of time when this thing will stop bringing in representatives… and what happens then? It WILL crash. And many many people will lose their hard earned money (and reputation). Some distributors will even be found by the feds! Yes, it is illegal to be involved and/or promote schemes.
And so, for many reasons, i couldnt possibly join something knowing I will eventually be taking advantage of people’s losses.
Even if i got 10k right now… How could i live with myself?
I take pride in doing business with integrity and honesty.
Wish more people can say the same…
Oh well.
Jazz, I agree with you. I feel exactly the same way.
To join TVI for a one time fee of $37 contact Donna Lee.
Home: 641-585-4734 Cell: 641-590-4210
donnaleeranheim@hotmail.com
She will help you succeed!
This thing is a scam and venture for either dumb-asses…. or those with a pathologically bent conscience. I know an acquaintance who goes from scam to scam like this… always thinking he will strike it rich and then live the life of luxury. He’s also a pimp… so that kind of goes with the bent conscience thing. He knows I hate this MLM crap… and his shady business… but nonetheless, life goes on. He just got $10k from the TVI Express creeps… and he’s so damn proud; telling everyone how great TVI Express is (LOL). I hope the feds come down on TVI with a vengeance… and that the payees who reap a benefit from the losses of poor suckers… will at least be forced to pay their taxes and dace to the music.
Definitely is a scam 100%! I did my research, but at the time, there really wasn’t anything negative out there. I saw the red flags too, but family convinced me to join anyway. Now, I wish I hadn’t.
Yes, people are getting money, but NOT from TVI! They are getting money from turning their ewallet into vouchers and selling them. Tvi has NOT paid myself and many others and will NOT do wire transfers anymore.
I am no longer a participating member and am determined to get the word out about the truth about tvi! I have created my own blog about my experience and even if I only help one person, it will be worth it.
I never brought anyone else into this as I wanted to be able to experience it for myself before taking it to friends and the public. So glad I didn’t sign up anyone under me! Unfortunately, I also lost money cause I purchased all 3 positions necessary to cycle and earn money. Live and learn, I know.
Feel free to read my story on my blog and learn the truth about tvi. I have many articles.
I wish we COULD have a class action lawsuit! I certainly would join one if it would do any good!
Tvi is a scam! Stay far far far away!
SCAM!!..It`s all about LEADERS! You think they aren`t paying those yahoos,while the rest get crapped on?! I have had it out with 2 TVI kool-aid drinkers this past week. They put together fax-blasts,nice little videos,then try to BS and hype you into skinning your wallet for $250. I had one “Team Leader”,go so far as to promising me $10k in 30 days if I would jump in,LOL.Folks are getting duped and screwed in this. This is NOT about “Vacations”…it`s about getting suckered,then suckering your 2 to cycle out..RUN from this Pyramid Loser,soon to be GONE Time Waster!!
I am a member of TVI Express for almost 2 months with 4 positions purchased. One of my positions has cycled out to Express Board while the rest are stuck in traveler board. My TVI Express ID is “USATVI” so you can look it up IF TVI Express ever comes on. Anyway, I did receive $250 “cash” and $250 voucher. However, I have requested to have $250 cash to be deposited to my bank account in United States on November 14, 2009 under “financial manager”. Guess what, NOTHING HAPPENED for 15 days so far! I have opened tickets three times with TVI Support Center for the past 2 weeks, but I got zero response. I decided to investigate further on the company including interviewing with my upline and downlines. I am starting to believe that TVI Express is a scam. Here are the reasons:
1.) TVI Express website went down far too often. It is also down right now for the past 3 days! No update. No under construction. Just nothing on the screen and kept getting that their site took too long to response. In other word, their server is gone! Disappeared! This should raise a red flag, because today’s technology and business world, this is not how it works!
2.) Based on what I found: We, humans, are TVI’s PRODUCTS! We do not earn money directly from the company! We are actually selling worthless vouchers. The question is how do we earn $250 cash or even $10,000 cash? By believing a lie that we should convert “10,000 cash” into 40 vouchers so we should sell voucher to our people downline. That is how we earn UP TO $10,000! We do NOT receive $10,000 cash directly from TVI, really! What about the so called $5,000 travel voucher? It is not even real anyway. According to TVI website before it went down, it said that they no longer honor travel vouchers until October 31 (that is this Saturday). Yeah, right!
3.) The FREE 6 night, 7 days travel voucher we received upon joining with TVI isn’t even valid! We could not use it right away until we first hear something from TVI on places where we want to go. And when we do, no response! Have anyone here have gone on vacation by redeeming their vouchers yet? Not likely!
4.) TVI Express use the same “generate software” to grab prices for airlines, hotel, ticket sales, from the big boys (expedia, fly.com, Hotwire, etc.). TVI either mark up little or nothing to make it appear attractive. Beside, TVI Express already making so much money from US by doping us into selling their VOUCHERS!
5.) Have anyone got incentives yet? What about new laptops? Cars? Villas?
6.) And most of all, there is no TVI Express office in London, England. I have checked. Have you?
My advice is…. DONT JOIN TVI until you check out the facts. The reason why TVI have 100,000+ people join up is because many claimed that they did CYCLE OUT of Express Board (and they did it many time) but being deceived to CONVERT their “$10,000 cash” rather into VOUCHERS so they must “SELL” it to make $250 dollars or more apeice! They did NOT get money directly from TVI.
HAve Fun @ http://www.FunMoment.com
Let’s take a look at the “Revolving Matrix” Everyone seems to think I have wrong.
1. There is a one-time buy-in of $250.00.
The one-time buy-in give you the ability to earn your original $250.00 back, plus a $250.00 eVoucher for a total of $500.00 in face amount. However, the pure cash payout is $250.00 which is only 7% of the total cash flow to the company, which is a grand total of $3750.0o.
It takes 15 people paying $250.00 each to fill up the Traveller Matrix.
The transition between the Traveller Matrix, and the Expreee Matrix, also earns the TVI Express a rank advancement to Silver Associate.
2. The Express Matrix Cycle
When the Traveller Matrix is filled the first time (15 positions paying a one-time fee of $250.00) the TVI Express distributor cycles to the Express Matrix where they have the opportunity to earn an addtional $15000.00 payout.
However, this is not as easy as it seems. Let’s recap a second. In order to cycle to the Express, you have to attract 15 people paying $250.00. (No not you personally, your upline, downline, everyone in the matrix.) However, keep in mind, to qualify for your $15,000.00 payout, you do have to personally help two people cycle out of the Traveller Matrix.
This means to earn $15,000 form the Express Matrix cycle, you need 15 people, who have each attracted 15 people. In other words you need 15 Travellers Matrix filled. 15×15 = 225 total in order for your to cycle out of the Express Matrix.
Here are how the numbers add up. 15 Traveller Matrix x $3750.00 = $56250.00 in total cash flow into the Express Matrix, with a $15000.00 payout. This equals 26.6% payout of total money taken in.
Now, here is the issue with this compensation plan as it pertains to TVIExpress. So far there has been 225 people recruited into the Traveller and the Express Matrix, A total face amount of $15,500.00 has been paid to the out to one distributor, from pure recruiting only.
No where is personal sales to anyone outside of the compensation plan ever mentioned. At least not until the person qualifies for residual downline commissions. This is a HUGE FTC red flag, and case law has already been set.
3. TVI Express Residual Income.
The issue with the residual income stems from the following phrase as found in the PowerPoint and on the link above.
Pays Till Infinity, No Ceiling, No Cap, No Cuttoffs!
The above as stated is mathematically imposable. You can’t payout more than 100% of every dollar. And the above statement is very clear, there is a huge potential for higher than 100% payouts at the Gold Associate and higher ranks.
4. TVI Express Monthly Power-Pool Bonus
This bonus is 2% of current monthly revenues to the company. Although this is a very standard bonus, 2% of revenues is an ambiguous statement. Are they referring to gross monthly revenues, or net monthly revenues? And, if it is Net Monthly Revenue, what is the definition of “Net Revenues” for this company?
Although, very few of the total field force will reach this position, those who do, should be asking this question.
5. TVI Express Incentive Bonus
TVI Express does offer nice Incentives to their top distributors. The incentives above all start after a didtributor cycles out of the Express Matrix 3 times. So let’s do a little math recap.
225 x 3 cycles = 675 people. These 675 x $3,750.00 (the total buy-in of the Traveller Matrix) = $2,531,250.00 revenue generated to the company. Total payout to the cycling distributor 3 x $15,000 = $45,000.00 (not counting the Traveller Matrix payout.)
Well, the company is making fantastic money, a few top players are making huge incomes, and the rest of the folks are giving it their all.
Folks, to sum things up…
The parent company of TVI Express, from a distance seems to be a legitimate company, with brand named channel partners, which we stated in our first article.
However, I question the privacy, where the company is truly located and who is the real masterminds behind the game.
Based on current case law, I still see the Network marketing Arm, as an MLM Scam, and not a MLM opportunity which will last, based on what we currently see.
At last i have found people who don’t appear to have TVI disease! Every site on the net seems to be full of bloggers/messages who are obviously made by pro-TVI people who are on the relentless case of pushing the scam. it must be one of the biggest scams in history! Well done S.holms for above mentioned comment. My girlfriend bought into it for travel purposes and it seems to be a pile of crap! discounts are worse than what you can find yourself. The problem is that nearly everyone who has bought it is on the mission to sell it to get their money back, maybe not realizing how immoral it is as many people will be left with nothing! Stay clear.
Morality certainly has nothing to do with this SCAM! Cruise through some of the YouTube Videos,made by the Leaders and their Sheep. You will be amazed at how few,actually state any earnings themselves! They know this or that Sucker,who`s supposedly made $100k,etc..lol. However,some of the more “moral”(lol) hypsters have disabled their websites, that used to be clickable for “more info on TVI”.I left negative comments on many of these, but most were NOT removed.That`s indication right there,that this Scam is in trouble. I too have seen posts in other Forums,that say that the Traveller Boards AND these $37 “Feeder’ Programs” are STALLING OUT. The sad facts are this…members will lose their $,BUT they continue to promote this BS in a sad effort to recoup their losses.Even after it becomes an obvious Scam,these unethical yahoos continue to hype,lie,and blow smoke! The result is that many more people blindly join up and lose,never suspecting they`ve been duped and screwed from the get-go!
TVI Express has NOT paid me!
http://www.bizplan4u.com/tvi_scam.htm
I bought myself two positions into this TVI Express business when I did my research and found close nothing bad being said about the company. But right now I’m a little worried because I read that when you do “get paid” the money transfers seem to take too long or actually the money never gets to your bank. The person who convinced me into buying a second position told me I was going to make my first $500.00 within a week and that was prior to December, 2009. Up to this date, I haven’t made my first $500.00. I don’t know what to do. =(
TVI is a scam. All they have is an affiliate program with Travelocity that they are trying to market as travel club. Also, do the math. If start to day and really recruit enough people to make $10,000/month, in 7 months you will not have anyone left on earth to recruit.
If you try to book you 7 / days 6 night vacation they want to know you credit card details and they won’t even tell you where you are going.
They shouldn’t want your credit card details. I thought the $250 you paid when you signed up guarantees that you’ll have your vacation. I have yet to hear someone truthfully admit that they took that vacation.
Isn’t it interesting that once TVI Express’s strongest supporter, CitizenCorp.com has since backpedaled about their endorsement of TVI Express, issued an “alert”, and downgraded it from 5/5 to a mere 3/5?
I’ve documented TVI Express as scam since last October and will continue to do so.
I’ve done my due diligence for over 6 weeks before getting involved with TVI and I’ve brought you the answers your probably asking when it comes to this company.
(If you haven’t heard about TVI express yet take the time to check their video comp. plan http://www.meetplanb.com and their website http://www.tviexpress.com/auraw)
- What is the product?
By investing the small start up cost (one time laughable fee) you are becoming a member of Travel Ventures International meaning you can book flights, hotels, car rentals etc. This company is involved in over 150 countries and its goal is to become the next priceline, orbitz… Better still they have cheaper rates than the aforementioned companies. Travel is a billion dollar industry it never goes out of style and will be a much needed resource for all time
- How are they able to pay out all members $10,000 per cycle? Isn’t that way too much overhead?
Every time a member cycles( completes a board) they receive $10,000, and members are cycling time and time again on average one cycle a month (depending on their determination some once a week!) For every $10,000 a member is payed the company already made $100,000, they do absolutely no marketing/ advertising. Those that sign up and never bother “working” at this great opportunity are called dead legs thereby the company makes money off them. Plus all the amenities (flights, hotels…) booked by their site obviously brings in money.
-How are members payed?
If you’ll search online some people complain about this but its really quite simply if you do your due diligence:
Solid Trust Pay ( a registered canadian company middle man—think paypal)
Liberty Reserve
Bank Withdrawal
Or Voucher selling (is extremely popular -bec. members can bring in others quickly and efficiently into TVI) plus you have none of the fees of the aforementioned payouts.
Bottom line the company is a legitimate buisness opportunity who are helping many members out of this recession with ease. I’ve spoken to numerous members via phone and email who are making their $10,000 payouts
Whenever their is a new system or opp. their are always those that are “trigger happy” to label something a scam. (usually to get people involved in their own venture).
So take the time now to glean more info. about this amazing opportunity and gain access to real financial freedom. Contact me via email realmacbargains@gmail.com or thru this blog and I can help answer all your questions!
Again the website is http://www.tviexpress.com/auraw
Everyone involved in TVI always reports that they “talked to someone on the phone or via email” who is making $10,000 from this opportunity. How come they’re not the ones making the $10,000?
Sorry, for all the reasons I mentioned, I still don’t like MLM and I still don’t like TVI. I never asked anyone to forget TVI and “join my opportunity” but I will say -- there are much better and more legit ways to make a living and sleep good at night than this TVI crap.
Any business is associated with risk and really the only question that needs to be asked is, “Is it worth investing $250 and some time to this opportunity?” In my opinion, $250 is a fair gamble and I’ll know within a month whether or not it was all worthwhile… so count me in!
This TVI is here in Brazil too!
Look like Coastal Vacations.
I think that is a Scam and fake!
well,i would like to here from the winners.the company is doing okay in kenya as far as distributorship is concerned
The Botswana Newspaper “The Voice” and Consumer Watchdog of Botswana declared TVI Express a scam.
http://www.thevoicebw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2210:dear-consumers-voice&catid=36:business&Itemid=55
Guess Kenyans don’t read newspapers.
Avis, Marriott, and Lufthansa/SwissAir have launched LEGAL ACTION AGAINST TVI EXPRESS. Lufthansa’s Cease and Desist letters came back as undelieverable.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mallorcazeitung.es%2Flokales%2F2010%2F02%2F25%2Fneues-schneeballsystem-mallorca-reichtum-alle%2F16738.html&sl=de&tl=en
TVI Express, pressured by Sikkim, India police investigation for fraud, agreed to refund over 6000 “depositors” their money.
http://voiceofsikkim.com/2010/03/15/tvi-express-promises-to-refund-the-deposits/
TVI Express distributor convicted of running pyramid scheme, sentenced to 1 year in prison in China
http://kschang.blogspot.com/2010/03/tvi-express-distributors-convicted-of.html
TVI Express called “fake tourism organization” by Indian authorities
http://voiceofsikkim.com/2010/03/16/extortion-by-the-fake-agencies-a-major-concern-for-sikkim-industries-and-reputation-in-globe-hgti/
TVI Express under investigation in Hungary as suspect pyramid scheme
http://www.realdeal.hu/20100316/two-companies-suspected-of-operating-pyramid-schemes
So my friends and I are wanting to take a trip. So can we not pay the 250 up front and then take our vacation and do nothing else after? Everyone is complaining about the scam about not making the 10k but I just want to know if we can take our trip and be done with it.
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Shelley, since this thing has been out, I have never seen anyone confirm that they’ve taken the trip.
Do you really think it’s realistic for you to pay $250 for a 7 night vacation? They could have said $1000 and it would still be a bargain.
The problem with the trip is… so far the only list TVI Express have announced of properties you can go to has only 11 hotels in India.
According to insiders, you have to select a destination, THEN TVI Express send you a list you choose from, and you pick the top three. THEN they randomly pick one out of the three for you. And you need to give them at least 45 days.
They were supposed to automate the system, and it was supposed to go live on March 1st. However, it didn’t. On March 5th they put up another announcement that asks for a few more days. Then THAT announcement disappeared. So no one really knew WHEN did the booking system went up, or whether it’s up now.
Have plenty of people who claimed they *did* went on the trip, but none can be verified.
So, it’s very very fishy.
That is very important indeed. It is the people who do not take advantage of that who are the ones who normally do not succeed. If you stick with it and learn the ways, this industry can earn you a lot of money!! Good article, nice work.
~Sam~
(G.O.R)
Australian Authorities got court injunction to shut down TVI Express
http://www.dynamicbusiness.com.au/articles/articles-news/facebook-pyramid-scheme-tvi-express-accc-1533.html
Anyone here from the Philippines? TVI recently pre-lauched in Manila..poor people, they still need to learn, gullible(lack of wisdom, easily cheated) people will be the victims here..no tangible product..oopss that’s a red flag. If you are looking for business to earn money stay away from TVi, its a get rich quick deals not a business.
Are they telling the same lies as they did in China?
Ms. Gornawan in Indonesia recently told reporter that “It [TVI Express] is not MLM”. It is laughable, as it is directly against company website’s description. She lied in order to avoid government scrutiny, because MLMs must register with government.
Same in Phillipines, yes?
They promise office in Phillipines soon too? They promised in China and Hong Kong back in June 2009. Nothing happened.
TVI Express: mostly liars.
FILIPINOS, IF YOU WANT TO EARN NANG WALANG KAHIRAP HIRAP, KONTING LAWAY LANG AT PANLOLOKO, JOIN TVI. PERO, PAANO NAMAN ANG KALULUWA MO?
FILIPINOS, IF YOU WANT TO LIVE WITH PEACE OF MIND, WALANG GUILT FEELINGS, STAY AWAY FROM TVI PEOPLE. MARAMING PWEDENG PAGKAKITAAN. REMEMBER, KARMA. YOU WILL EARN 10k, HOW ABOUT YOUR FAMILY….BAKA BAWIIN NI LORD SA IYO YAN… YOU WILL REGRET.
Have you heard stories about KARMA? Yumaman pero galing sa panloloko….after 5, 10,20 years….dumating ang bad karma. Let us do actions that pleases God.
WHATEVER WE DO, WE ARE LIABLE TO IT..
TVI does not pay commissions. SCAM !!!!!!
You will find scams everywhere but if you do your research there are Jewels out there which give you confidence to promote. They’re the beauties & as long as you beleive in the product company it can yeild results. I am not earning $10,000 a month but I do work from home & I am not stressed out to & that’s because I do my research.
Thank you very much to all of you who have posted your side about TVI. My grandmother is planning to join this “GREAT” business, hoping to double her money in no time. TVI is very popular here in Philippines, particulary in South Cotabato. I’ve made some research about TVI and thanks I was directed here. Asking Php 14,000 as registration fee is really high and totally crazy, others sold their land just for this. They’re really good in (PAMBOBOLA), as their marketing strategy. They’re giving their website to everyone, letting them know how great their business is but for me it’s totally a NO NO. I won’t take the risk fooling other people, telling lies. I believe we can earn money in a right way, we can travel and book our own flights. It’s good to know that there’s a lot of on going promotions, vouchers but let’s not forget about KARMA.
A friend asked me to view this TVI video at YOU TUBE
……telling me that this is a proof that TVI Express Phils is legit and will soon be a phenomenal homebased business in our province. Well , I did watch it and listened to it ..actually twice..because I was waiting for someone to testify that they indeed got the vacation package/discount that TVI is supposed to sell / or received whatever the term they want to use to describe it. Anyway what I heard were people testifying to the fact that they got the US$250 and cycled out to get US$10K in such a short time. And I asked my friend, does the US$250 and US$10K you received make it legit then? Doesn’t it bother you that you get paid out of every new member’s fee? She said she received her 5 US$500 in the bank (taxable she told me -- another proof that it’s legal she said) and waiting for her next 5 $10K to cycle out. About the trip she said her family is booked at a hotel in Manila (nothing to be excited about in my opinion- but paid only tax worth $60) .. I said easy money gives me the creep, need to be convinced more about TVI. Probably when I get to see and hear members really getting that vacation and not the $250 and $10K they’re all rejoicing about. It has always been my belief that any multi level company w/o any tangible product to sell is a pyramiding scam.
I hope it’s legit though because I wish good fortune for my friend.
you tube.. thats only for viewing but show us the proof that somebody got paid for their commission or voucher.. hundreds are receiving vouchers of half a million pesos but waiting for encashment.. where? and how will they encash it..
tvi express is already under investigation in Tajikstan and georgia..
gosh! i am grateful that i prayed for God’s wisdom before deciding to join TVI. a friend from a prayer meeting invited me to join tvi. since she was a member of a religious community, i attended the seminar. at first, i thought that tvi was amazing. imagine! you only have to pay P14,000.00 and you get a free 6 nights/7 days accommodation in any resort/hotel in the phils or 3 nights/4days accommodation abroad? where else can you get that deal? plus, you get lifetime discounts on hotel bookings. i was so excited! but what bothered me was when the speaker mentioned about internet negative reviews about tvi. that it was a scam. good thing that the speaker mentioned this. otherwise, i will not hesitate to join. another thing that made me suspicious was when i asked one of the uplines who told me that she was able to book her family in singapore using the freebie from tvi. but when i asked her for proof, she just told me that she forgot to bring it and she really had her vacation. duh?!? you’re recruiting, are you not supposed to show me proof to your recruits? just in case a recruit may ask for it? i think this is really a scam. this wont be a scam if there is really a freebie and the lifetime discount on travels really do exist. i’m just sad because my friend was fooled into joining this. but i do hope she gets her freebie….
bobo! ahahahah! kahit bata pa ako mayaman na ako! because of TVI! bleh! wahahah!
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I totally agree with you. TVI Express is a scam, not even a MLM company. I’m in a network marketing business and I understand what they’re trying to do which is “copy” a copyrighted network marketing company in an attempt to get people choose TVI in stead of the “real” company. Therefore, brain-washing people and fooling them.
Jay, I want your email. I have something important I wanna talk to you about. Looking forward to that.
@Senait
You can contact me here.
i am actually a newbie in TVI express. I am monkey myself, so before i joined the business i study the matrix and the business process as well. As an IT person and a Business Analyst i have seen the potential of earning big. It is true that there are people who will give you a call and brag what their uplines have achieved so far because it is logical to do that. There is nothing to brag about yourself because you just started. For some people who are not technical enough and never see how a system work would just simply say its a SCAM. I felt sorry for those who judge networking business that easily because some MAD DOG says so….250USD is just a dime as to what knowledge we can gain from doing the business. Will I take a word from someone who do not believe into it? Will i take word from someone, do not know how networking really works? Will I take words from those who have bad experience from TVI because of their impatience or because of someone who failed to do the job? Will I take words from the detracttors of TVI? or will I take words from those who have achieved much and helping others to achieve or have a better life? I don’t wanna sound very TVI pro, but the one who invited me have spent their Christmas at my favorite hotel, because she have worked for it….i have seen how she earned 30,000Php in few weeks because she have worked for it….I understand and i respect other’s opinion about TVI. But do not still other’s hope to succeed and more importantly…study networking business, before we become opinionated… If we will base everything in data…of success factor vs. failure factor…and if we could support this data then…present them and say it is a SCAM….too bad none of the people actually have a data that is measurable and tangible….Thus everything that has been cited here will just be a hearsay….and legally HEARSAY are trash.
DO NOT STEAL OTHER’S HOPE.
Just my two cents.
e-commerce is in…can you bring the hotel room and sell it for you to have a tangible item? if you could do so i myself will say TVI is a SCAM.
when we say tangible….is the website not tangible enough as you can see it?
What about eBay, Sulit.com…aren’t they selling stuffs that you cannot touch yet?
TVI is not a SCAM.
who knows, this scam issues are just works of those jealous,impatient, fancy, losers, quitters, lazy or a competitor. just to drag TVI down….
Think about it why would people brag this TVI as SCAM thing anonymously, without a real face to show, because they want others not to believe into it… may be their are used to be TVI Members who were kicked out for not abiding TVI policies…they want to drag other people together with their failure? Who is a scammer now?
It is funny to hear from people who did not join TVI and yet believe that they are going to fool some people around…. may be they do not have the money and the guts to do the business… my upline did not fool me up, we work hand in hand in an IT company, and from time to time she is giving me an update. She had booked their family at SOFITEL PLAZA, one of my favorite hotel, this yuletide, i have seen their pictures, and she already have earned 30,000 PhP in few weeks. I am a newbie, i have no recruits yet, but am I worried? It is the risk that i have taken when i joined the business, i lose, then i lose….after all it is my demn choice, and i will not convince other’s not to join TVI, i want to give them to choose with their free will… as i did…. i actually have read a lot of forums on this TVI most of them are negative but did it bother me not to join? NO… because, other’s opinion is their opinion and will remain an opinion and should be respected.
Another point, some are saying to get a real company….i bet TVI has bigger money than any other real company. It is not TVI’s problem that they got so brilliant idea and other’s detract them and say it is not a scam. If we are to decide, look at the company’s success, look at the member’s success then look at the one saying that it is a scam….who has more money?
Ciao….
Lastly, It is always our responsibility when we join a business, be it traditional selling, or multi level or networking, to understand the business process, the outcome and how it will work for you. It is our money at stake here, it is necessary that we get ourselves involved….it is necessary that we know our expectations….if we fail to do these then we will not understand everything and judge that it is a scam at work! Whatever business it is. Let’s try to check ourselves, how we understand them.
@Luis
That’s a lot of stuff you had to get off your chest. Thanks for airing your views.
Hi, I bought tvi express thru a friend because of the travel packages that was included 7 days / 3 days stay in a Five Star Hotel for free. I was told. But everytime I tried to book the Hotels are so cheap, there are dates that you need to avail it, and the location of the Hotels were really Far off. Then I tried booking just this month in my surprise I have 0 balance , insufficient funds. They told me that I should pay around $ 180 -- $ 300 for the taxes. What? Why that big amount it’s like I’m really booking a hotel because the hotels they are offering are really so cheap. I wasn’t able to use it. They insist that I should sell it for 2 more so that I will have a business opportunity. What? Why would I sell something that really you can’t get anything from it. It is really a scam, a fraud.
Please if you already bought this tvi express, it’s not worth your effort and time to sell it. It’s a FRAUD and your name will be at stake.
@nona if that would be the case then it is sad.
It is better to check it first…