I’ve written about this subject before and didn’t think that I would be touching on it again but here we go one more time.
I got passed this link today on Facebook and I figured since it had something to do with the field I’m in, I should check it out to make sure my friends don’t get led astray.
So I did and I instantly recognized what was going on. How these links get passed around I have no idea.
Now that I think of it maybe someone on Facebook has a large group and pushed the link and it went viral, ending up in my network of friends. Nevertheless, everyone is checking it out and it has actually been generating a lot of buzz lately.
Anyway, back to this KNKNews site. It is a scam. Not even Google wants to have anything to do with them.
The site is set up to look like a legitimate news site – CNBC – that everyone should know about.
However, it really isn’t CNBC and it doesn’t have anything to do with CNBC.
KNKNews.com is a fake news site designed to advertise a specific work at home opportunity with the hopes that people will sign up and pay to receive a cd filled with the information needed to get started.
To some it may not be that obvious that something is wrong because of location but to anyone living where I live – an island in the Caribbean – there are some dead giveaways.
The subject of the story, Ms Patricia Feeney, worked for NBC (not the local radio station) but *the* NBC – as in the network that CNBC is a part of. This is no doubt an American woman.
But the article says that she is from Kingstown which is where I’m from.
If you’re from somewhere other than Kingstown then its going to show your city instead because they’re using a script to pick up your location.
They use this tactic to reel you into the story. You’re more likely to want to find out more because you have something in common with the subject.
Read The FinePrint
The other clue, or proof that this isn’t what it’s made out to be is in the fine print right at the bottom of the page.
Author and publisher is an Affiliate of the company offering the business opportunity and are remunerated by advertiser.
They’re actually required to do this by the FTC but its still false advertising and they should still be reported.
Then there’s this statement which should really confuse the hell out of anyone reading it – enough so they realize that there’s something funky going on here.
Google/CNBC is in no way associated with this website.
And finally there’s
THE RESULTS PORTRAYED IN THE STORY AND IN THE COMMENTS ARE ILLUSTRATIVE, AND MAY NOT BE THE RESULTS THAT YOU ACHIEVE WITH THESE PRODUCTS
…which is like saying “OK, we lied about everything we said above.”
Luckily, from my location in the Caribbean, the offer is being geo-targeted which just means that only people in a certain region are allowed to see the offer and I’m guessing that its restricted to the United States and Canada only. So when you click on the link you won’t actually be taken to the intended page.
For others in the geo-targeted area of United States and Canada, I’ve heard reports about credit cards being charged without authorization for amounts that weren’t displayed. Like I said, I’ve written about this before – you can read the comment section of this article to see what others have said.
I’ve even tested one of these offers short of entering my credit card information and after entering my email I immediately started to receive spam messages in my inbox.
This is just the work of an unethical affiliate marketer who just wants to make some cash instead of genuinely helping people find solutions to their problems.
Like I wrote today on another blog, when you chase the money, the money is only going to run from you. When you help people you’ll be rewarded.
I hope you guys took the time to read the article. The only way to keep safe from these rogues is to do your research.
Working at home on the internet is real. I know because I do just that. Knowing who to trust is tough because there are so many phonies out there with an eye on your wallet/purse.
If you want to work from home then there is no better place to start than the same place that I train at – Wealthy Affiliate IMU.
Be sure to leave a comment in the section below if you have any questions or other concerns and be safe.
If you’ve read my review of One Week Marketing, you’ll know that I highly recommend PotPieGirl’s action plan as an article marketing guide anyone can follow.
One Week Marketing was written in 2008 and there are some concerns about whether or not the guide still works in 2010.
The internet as it relates to marketing is a constantly changing environment and when something does change, the information contained in some guides can become outdated or even obsolete. This is part of the reason I like being a member of Wealthy Affiliate: as things change, you’re always in the know because of the community.
I’ve said before in my review that One Week Marketing works because it gives you a clear step by step plan anyone can follow using a publishing platform that the author is familiar with – Squidoo.
Since the guide was written though, Squidoo has changed some of its policies and has enraged and even alienated many affiliate marketers including myself. This is because the site has put a ban on some legitimate topics which in their view were overused by marketers on the site. Some of these topics are in very profitable niches, for example, weight loss, make money online, get your ex back, just to name a few.
Therefore, wondering whether One Week Marketing still works in 2010 is a very admissible concern.
So Does One Week Marketing Still Work in 2010?
The thing about One Week Marketing is that there’s nothing that chains you to the use of Squidoo. Its not like say a Facebook marketing guide, where if something goes wrong with Facebook, the guide becomes obsolete.
There are many other web 2.0 sites like Squidoo and all you’ll have to do is just switch to one of these sites and the information would work just the same. The site that comes closest in terms of power is Hubpages and that is what I currently use with the One Week Marketing strategy.
Hubpages is Squidoo’s closest competitor and has just about every benefit plus more. As a side note, this doesn’t mean that you can’t still use Squidoo. The site only regulates certain topics and I know for certain that there are people still reporting success using the One Week Marketing guide with Squidoo.
So in a nutshell, the guide still works very well. I’ve written a hub on using One Week Marketing with Hubpages to show you how you can forget about using Squidoo while still getting maximum benefit from the guide.
Recently, while doing some research on traffic generation, I came across the name Rachel Long. She seemed popular but since I’ve never heard of her until now I decided to find out what made her so popular in the internet marketing arena.
Turns out Ms Rachel Long has been very successful at recruiting people in various MLM programs using internet marketing techniques and made a lot of money with one program in particular. She also had her own system as well for doing what she did.
But it was one specific statement that she apparently used to describe herself which made me dig deeper. She referred to herself on one of her websites and elsewhere as “the undisputed queen of internet marketing.”
In this article, I’m going to take a close look at what Rachel Long has accomplished and we’ll decide if she really has earned that title.
Who is Rachel Long?
On her website, Superbuzzads.com, we learn that Rachel Long has the typical internet marketer profile having been fired from a job that she’d already hated and decided to try to make it on the internet. After many attempts she eventually found her way to success using email marketing which she says is the secret to her success.
After finding email marketing and using it successfully to build huge lists of subscribers, she apparently used her new found knowledge to recruit members to various MLM programs including being the top sponsor for Lawn Chair Millionaire, Success University, Rejuvenate, Global Domains International (GDI), MyWorldPlus and a bunch of others.
These are all very impressive accomplishments in her industry and veteran network marketers like Mike Glaspie (Mike G), Ben Glinsky and Matt Morris of Success University have all sung her praises – to which she deserves.
Despite all the success though, my research on Rachel Long had one common theme – no one had anything good to say about her. No one who had experience doing business with her that is and by that I mean her subscribers and the thousands of people who she had personally sponsored to all those programs.
Where did she go wrong?
Why Rachel Long is NOT the Undisputed Queen of Internet Marketing
Having the ability to sponsor many people into your MLM program will not make you queen. It would contribute but what about the other areas of your business?
Here are the four main reasons where Rachel Long fell down in her marketing.
1. Guaranteeing results that disappointed customers
As a network marketer using internet marketing techniques to get leads successfully, Long created services such as her One Touch Sales System and Cash Expand where she offered or actually guaranteed signups to those who joined her programs.
Many got sucked in because they were told what they wanted to hear. On a psychological level it said that you didn’t have to do any work and you’ll be just as successful as Rachel Long.
Re: One Touch Sales Systemhi guys,
i know you are eager in using her system, like me…
i had signed up her system on 5/12/2006 to promote my prowealthsolution, hoping to generate more visitor to my website.
but very disappointed with the outcome, the number of visitor didn’t work so well as what she claim.
meanwhile other program is able to generate 25 visitor for me within 15 days, hers is only 5 visitor after 14 days, so i request to stop the services and get refund from her.
you know, i dont think paying her USD147.00 for 5 visitor is something wise, think twice my friend.
dont be too surprise, cause i consider this is scam too
helen, malaysia
(from discussion at Scam.com)
Luckily these days, it’s not so easy to outright guarantee results or you’d have the FTC breathing down your neck really hard.
2. Email Marketing Tactics
Rachel Long credits her success to one of the best marketing methods for getting leads – email marketing.
Usually when someone visits your website, they may see your offer and then close the web page to ponder, ignore or do more research on it. When they’re gone, you have missed a chance at getting a sale.
When you use email marketing, you can capture that lead and send them the offer over and over again. It is said that it takes anywhere from six to seven exposures to the offer before the prospect buys.
This is the secret to Rachel’s incredible success but unfortunately her tactics are a bit too aggressive as it seems that exposing her prospects to her offer at least six to seven times means emailing them multiple times per day and even emailing them after they’ve asked via the unsubscribe link to be taken off her list (this means that she is essentially spamming them).
This is a great example of what you should not do with your list building even if it seems to be working for her in terms of signups and conversions it will not hold up in the long term.
I found my way onto her list when I was just starting out.
12 autoresponder messages in 2 days ! Not one word of advice or guidance,
just pushing offer after offer down your throat.Queen of Internet Marketing ?
Queen Of Spam more like it
Run a mile, she offers nothing of value.
(from discussion at WarriorForum)
If you want to take advantage of Rachel’s secret to success but do it the right way instead, you can set yourself up for incredible results by getting Inside the List which teaches email marketing. You can also get Inside the List as a free bonus when you sign up to Wealthy Affiliate which teaches you internet marketing techniques to help you build a solid long term business online.
3. Non Existent Customer Service
The most successful businesses are build on relationships. There should be no surprise here because every transaction happens between two or more entities.
Big companies have entire departments just to deal with customer services because it is necessary. However, with running an online business from home as an independent business owner, you may not find it necessary to hire others so you must do it yourself.
There are claims that Rachel Long doesn’t respond to emails sent to her. She in no way helps or speaks to any of the members in her downline and this has led many to believe that she is only interested in the money.
Its cool to be interested in money…aren’t we all trying to make a living but if you’re not helping your customers then you have to ask – “Are you in this for the long run?”
Rachel Long seems to have a way to recruit many downline members. She is among the top 10 or 20 in almost every program that she promotes. One new program is AliveMax and she was there among the Top 10.
But, she seems to be lacking in providing a 2-way communication between her and seekers. Many of us would prefer to sign up via somebody contactable!
(from IMReportCard.com)
4. Not Honoring Refund Requests
There are also numerous claims from persons who have asked for refunds that weren’t honored. It is a highly unethical and damaging practice to not honor refunds from a customer. It puts your business and your name on the line.
I signed up with her marketing on My Lawn Chair Millionaire. After that, I started receiving more and more emails each day from her which were too pushy and would try to sell me another marketing scheme. She is dishonest in what she promises and getting a refund is quite impossible with her. I was not happy with the service due to the promises made that weren’t kept, and I was not making any money with her marketing program. Needless to say, I never saw my refund.
(from IMReportCard.com)
I purchased a service from CashExpandMarketing. Please do Not do the same. This is a total scam. You do not receive any service and can not get your money back. There is no response to emails and paypal would not refund me because it’s an “intangible item” (service) which they do not cover.
Complete rip off.
(from a discussion at WarriorForum)
Refunds are what happen when you offer low quality service or products. If so many people don’t want your service or is unhappy with it, that alone should be an indication that something is wrong with it.
There are a lot of lessons to be learned in these four points about how NOT to build an internet marketing or network marketing business.
Rachel definitely cannot be the queen of internet marketing. Maybe a underworld mob boss is more like it.
My Personal Top 5 Queens of Internet Marketing
Here is a short list of my top 5 queens of internet marketing. I picked these 5 ladies because they’ve helped so many others, offer high quality information (either for free or for a fee), and they’re all successful at what they do.
PotPieGirl (Jennifer Ledbetter)
Jennifer Ledbetter, popularly known as PotPieGirl is the type of marketer fit to be called “queen” and is my top choice for the title. She is known for her step by step article marketing system, One Week Marketing, where she lays down her blueprint to making a full time income online using only free sites and little investment.
Jennifer is also a member of Wealthy Affiliate, and regularly lends her knowledge to aid novice marketers. Her willingness to help and lend support even after her tremendous success is what sets her apart from many others and is why I think that she is fit to be royalty.
You can find my review of her One Week Marketing within this site.
Rosalind Gardner
Rosalind Gardner was one of the first successful woman I’d heard about in the internet marketing field when I first started online 4 years ago. Her Super Affiliate Handbook is a must have for any affiliate marketer or anyone who aspires to make money online.
It was first printed in 2003, I think, and after going through a number of revisions is still very relevant today. I still reference it every now and then just to catch up on some of the basics.
Tiffany Dow
My third pick is known as the Squidoo Queen so she is no stranger to the title and deserves it as well. She became an expert at making money online using a free to join site called Squidoo and has helped others with her knowledge of the site.
She is very active in the internet marketing community and although I personally think someone else on this list is the Squidoo Queen, Tiffany Dow deserves to be among my ro
yal 5.
Holly Mann
My perception of Holly Mann is that she is one of the most humble and modest internet marketing women out there. No need to over hype anything – just state it as it is.
There is too much lies being told in the internet marketing world and Holly doesn’t want any part of that. I’ve experienced her honesty in the way she does business and I can say that she is the real deal. Thank you, Holly.
Her book, Honest Riches is aimed at helping people get started with making money on the internet.
Linda Buquet
Finally, to round out my top 5 internet marketing queens, there’s Linda Buquet. She runs 5 Star Affiliate Programs and I was introduced to her back when I was struggling, via one of my favorite forums – the 5 Star Affiliate Marketing Forum.
Linda is never too busy to help out newbies in distress and offers practical and sound advice.
It’s no mystery that when you help people get what they want then you get what you want as well. Zig Ziglar said something like that and these women have proven that saying to be more than true.
When I wrote the article on how to sell SMC products online, I wrote it to guide people who were already SMC product resellers who would like to market the products. It’s still a good guide on how to do so with even better alternatives to the program.
I stated in the article that I wouldn’t do the SMC opportunity because I wasn’t a big fan of face to face selling and the way it was structured wasn’t my cup of tea. Further, I went on to state my observations of what other people thought about SMC – the quality of the products weren’t that good etc.
On doing some additional research, it seems that SMC may actually be something you want to stay away from. At least hide your credit cards.
Unclear Refund Policy?
When I read the membership agreement on the SMC website, the cancellation policy states that you will get a refund of your payment minus shipping and handling of the kit. Fair enough.
4. Cancellation. If you cancel your membership within 30 days of joining SMC, you may be eligible for a refund of your membership fees (excluding shipping and handling). Call toll free 1-877-523-9088 for eligibility and cancellation instructions.
What they failed to mention though was how that refund will be issued.
The above investigation was done after I saw one complaint from a member and SMC’s response.
Member complaint (excerpt from email communication with SMC Corp.)
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:52 PM
To: MemberServices@smcorp.com; techsupport; legal@emerchantclub.com
Cc: ME
Subject: Re: REFUND REQUEST – SMC/eMERCHANTCLUB FROM MEPlease help me, I am at your mercy. Please refund me at least $2388.00
otherwise I will never forgive myself. It is hurting me from within. It is a
real mental torched. Please help me.May God give you the reward if you return my money.
Thanks!
ME
From: ME
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 5:42 PM
To: MemberServices@smcorp.com ; techsupport@emerchantclub.com ;
legal@emerchantclub.comCc: ME
Subject: REFUND REQUEST – SMC/eMERCHANTCLUB FROM ME
Dear SMC/eMC
Please help me get my money back. I am a disabled person without income. I
have 6 kids all under 16. I worked hard in my life and then lost my job. I
borrowed some money from my sister to start SMC business after I got
convinced by watching SMC ad on the TV. Please help me. If you cannot refund
all, then please at least refund some of it. I have lost this money like I
dropped a my bag on the street. I hope you will have some soft corner for
the needy people. I am already indebted heavily. I am really sorry I tried
to be tough, but you guys are tougher, indeed. Please let me know if you can
help me. Thanks!08/25/2009 Debit Card Transaction EMC*EMERCHANTCLUB 877-38 08/24EMC*EMERC
$2,388.00 Payment for Unknown Service
07/31/2009 Debit Card Transaction EMC*EMERCHANTCLUB 877-38 07/30EMC*EMERC
$3,754.40 Super Deluxe Package
07/16/2009 Debit Card Transaction SMC*MERCH/MEMB 800-345-4 07/15SMC*MERCH
$499.95 SMC Membership FeesTOTAL:
$6642.35 TOTAL
Other amount was lost for this dealME
Here’s SMC’s response which reveals what’s really up with the refund policy.
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:55 PM
To: ME
Subject: RE: REFUND REQUEST – SMC/eMERCHANTCLUB FROM MEME,
I am very sorry, but there is no cash refund for the $2388.00. We can only
refund your SMC account in merchandise credit. We had talked about this on
12/01/2009
11:14 AM and I told you that you were within our 30-day policy for a refund,
but only in credit to purchase merchandise. This credit is now available in
your SMC account for you to use.This credit is good for one year so please contact SMC to have them help you
choose products to sell and redeem this money back and hopefully more.Regards,
CK
Cancelation/Refund Department
eMerchantClub LLC
996 Flower Glen Street
Simi Valley, CA 93065
(877) 384-4691 Phone
(888) 201-2680 Fax
http://www.emerchantclub.com/support.html*****Please do not delete any part of this message when replying as it may
be used in the tracking and resolution of this issue.*****
So you can’t really get your money back from SMC even if you sent the kit back within 30 days and quali
fy for a refund.
Instead they force you to do their business by having you claim some of their products so that you can sell those off to get your money back.
This has got to be illegal in some kind of way. I have no idea but if I decided that I didn’t want to sell SMC products, why should I be forced to do that just do I could get my money back?
There is another shocking revelation in those emails. What’s up with those figures spent on an SMC membership!? Did the member just spend over $6000? I thought the membership only cost a few hundred dollars max.
That’s what the average user might think but what they don’t see coming is the upsells from SMC that will promise them website packages and coaching that guarantees they will succeed and these apparently come at a 4 figure cost.
To me, these are unnecessary and overpriced.
By comparison, you can build a profitable website for less than $100 and get all the coaching you need to build a full time income from home using a site I use called Wealthy Affiliate, which I mentioned in the other article, and it would all cost you less than the price of an SMC membership for just one year.
Also reports of SMC tying up credit cards with charges after they were stopped doesn’t help. There’s a whole thread with SMC complaints here and I’ll just quote a few for you to see that this is just not the kind of business you want to get involved with for a number of reasons including the possibility that you may not be able to sell the products.
I can sure tell you they took my wife’s money and didn’t help her at all. They promise coach’s, support, web sites, and all kinds of junk and then do nothing but take money out of your account. My wife called to cancel within the 30 days and they said she was past the time…
…I told him I wanted to go ahead and build my website like they talked about on TV, that I was ready now, could he please help me with that? He says yes, for another $1,500.00!! I told him I didn’t have that kind of money, that it took all I had just to join SMC, and that it sounded like the website was included when you join! As soon as I told him I didn’t have the money, he just stopped talking. I mean…he really did just sit there on the phone, and wouldn’t talk to me!
I can only say that communication with them is impossible. I cancelled within the 30 days they require, and yet they continued billing my credit card. I wrote them and e-mailed them to no avail. I challenged the card charges and were paid back the money-only to have them turn it over to a collection agency!
While browsing around this morning, I came across an offer by some guy named Paul Myers who claims that he will show you how he’s making over $100,000 per month using just one website or something to that effect.
He goes on to further claim that he will show you the website for free just like he showed his friend and you’ll be able to “quickly and easily make an extra $500 – $5000 per month.”
Paul then shows some video proof of his income and expenses to satisfy your curiosity and gain your trust. He is able to back up his income claims so I began to wonder what this was all about.
Of course though, he doesn’t come right out and tell you because that is the offer – you have to opt in to find out.
Paul’s button on the lead generation form says “Show Me the Website” so we expect Paul to show us the website he’s making all this money from as soon as you opt in.
Well, we know he’s no Mother Teresa (he says so himself), so we know he has to make money some how.
But how?
How is Paul making money from just showing you this website?
I wanted to investigate a little further but stopped myself short of opting in to see the website.
I guess intuitively, something didn’t seem right to me.
The outrageous though proven income claims. The generous nature of the offer which he was marketing through PPC.
So I did what any other savvy internet shopper would do…well you know me…I hit up Google to dig up what I could find on this Partner with Paul offer.
As I suspected, there was something wrong with this offer and one guy who had tried it dished the dirt.
…if he were TRULY ‘upfront and honest’ he would tell you right off the bat that this is HERBALIFE!!
Herbalife may be a good company, but it has definitely suffered from typical MLM associated problems, at least as far as IMAGE is concerned!
That’s why most MLM’s won’t even tell you their name until they feel they have your complete attention.I got involved though, as far as getting the ‘work at home starter kit’ because, he offered to pay for the shipping. AND, he promised I’d be earning money within TWO WEEKS of receiving the ‘the work at home starter kit’.
Apparently he did pay for shipping.
I got the $9.95 shipping cost refunded to my PAYPAL account.I see no way in hell that one can make a DIME with that ‘work at home starter kit’ though!
He also offers some free memberships in online opps that are supposed to make money for you.
Since you won’t make any money doing surveys or working an online dollar store either, you will have to pay to ship that ‘work at home starter kit’ BACK to where it came from – and where it BELONGS!That’s the whole of the story basically but for details:
The $9.95 ‘work at home starter kit’ is no more than an advertisement package:
A 12 page booklet with one CD and one DVD in the inner folds.
The ENTIRE DVD is a presentation on the value of a home based business v. working for someone else.
(Does anyone already looking to do a home business really need this kind of reminder?
Seems like a waste of a DVD to me!)The CD is an audio collection of success statements of those who got involved with OBS (online business systems – but really HERBALIFE).
The 12 page booklet partially describes this ‘opportunity’ in every way, except to tell you that it’s HERBALIFE!
And, you won’t find the word HERBALIFE mentioned in the DVD, CD, or booklet!
AMAZIN’!!This 12 page booklet and CD/DVD will ‘cost’ you $39.95 if you don’t return it in a ‘resaleable condition’.
But I fail to see where a 12 page document (hardly even a booklet) and two discs are worth $39.95 in the first place!
I also fail to see where this is a ANY kind of ‘work at home starter kit’ either.
I know I can’t start work at home using this kit!‘Paul’ said that within 2 weeks they will ask you for $39.95 but ‘you will have earned way more by that time’.
I guess this is supposed to refer to the programs he offers in conjunction with the ‘partner with paul’ package:
SURVEY SCOUT
FREE ONLINE DOLLAR STORE
And some other program so equally useless, I am not even going to go through the trouble of trying to re-locate the name of.You will finally find out you are previewing HERBALIFE when your ‘coach’ gives you the call.
My coach was polite and informative and also mentioned that ‘they’ weren’t taking a hard line on the return of the $39.95 ‘package’ as to deadline or condition – just be reasonable.
That’s good.
BUT THAT PACKAGE STILL AIN’T WORTH $39.95!!!Doing HERBALIFE requires scheduling phone calls so I would reject their offer on that basis alone – which could have saved EVERYONE involved in this both time AND money, if they had simply told me that beforehand (I will have to pay to mail this package-thing back after all!).
I believe my coach was making money with HERBALIFE but, once I heard the name HERBALIFE associated with OBS – after doing some ‘googling’, I was turned off and hoping that I would discover something different when I received my package.
FINALLY,
Mr. ‘Upfront and Honest’ says that the offer expires on ‘midnight or sooner’ of whatever day you click on to partnerwithpaul.com.And apparently, this ‘offer’ hasn’t ‘expired’ yet!
Herbalife, eh? No, thank you!
Bless the guy who took time to detail his experience with the Partner for Paul offer.
And just in case you thought the above review was a sole case, here’s another experience for you to consider.
At the “Partner With Paul” (partnerwithpaul.com) website it stated they’d send me a “System For Wealth/Work-at-Home Kit” for $9.95, including refund instructions on the $9.95 should I choose to ask for it. I don’t have a mailing address for Paul. There’s a contact form on his website and that’s it.
To sign up, I was led to theonlinebusiness.com – a sales/signup page signed by Tanya Philips – Davis, and Warren Davis, that included the mailing address:
The Online Business
6 Linden Loop Minot AFB, ND. 58704
support@theonlinebusiness.com 888-421-4850I received a video and audio CD in the mail from South Dakota, but the ONLY thing on the CD’s were GENERIC customer testimonials and benefits about running a business from home. I still had no idea as to the company, the product(s) or the specifics of the offer. This could in no way, shape or form be considered a “Work From Home System Kit.” In other words the CDs were totally worthless.
Several days later I received a phone call at which time I expressed my displeasure with the “Kit” materials. I did finally learn that the opportunity entailed becoming an Herbal-life dealer. Spoke with someone by the name of Justin.
I didn’t sign up at the time, explaining that I would need to look into it further, now that I knew who the company was, before making a decision.
After some additional research, and more emails from Justin Leleiwi, and after talking to him on the phone again, I decided to pass. I told him about the $9.95 refund and he said he didn’t know anything about it. He also said I had to return the CD’s or I’d be charged for them ($40), so I did return them to him.
Seriously, there’s absolutely no way I could justify using those CD’s to recruit people. Reputations are important, and making people pay out more than $10 for a bunch of (TOTAL) crap… well, you know.
Justin Leleiwi – Georgia 31312 – obsbiz.com
I also sent the refund request to rebate@partnerwithpaul.com, quoting the refund offer as it was noted on the original sales page, sending a copy to Justin too – in case he might help get that straightened out. No response.
Well here it is mid-June and today Justin charged me for the CD’s anyway. I’m going to dispute the charge, on SEVERAL! counts.
This is no way for them to be running a business, and I expect a COMPLETE refund of all charges, immediately.
Apparently Partner for Paul dates back to 2008 from what I’ve seen and it is still going so people need to be informed about what they’re getting into before they find themselves in a situation they would rather not be in. The above experiences should serve as testimony that you do not, under any circumstances, want to partner with Paul.
